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<< Start < Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next > End >> Rob Shepherd   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 12:27 Sorry Charles but your statement is a little high density and I'm just trying to make sense of what falls into phase 1 and what into phase 2, so please could you clarify? Of your list of benefits, you say or imply that phase 1 will include [*]flood protection for the development [*]the river front walk [*]part of the affordable housing [*]slipway (implied - if you have the river front) [*]boat store (implied - if you have the river front) And clearly, as you don't own the land/properties for the following, they must fall into Phase 2 [*]Pelham Terrace [*]Pells Pool [*]remainder of affordable housing [*]footbridge (as you don't own the land on the opposite bank) But for the rest: which phase does each of these four benefits fall into?:- [*]crèche [*]medical centre [*]cinema [*]art gallery Many thanks Rob Shepherd   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum. Rob Shepherd   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 12:42 Ah, I've just read elsewhere that the Charles says the cinema is to be on Council land, which the council refuses to sell to Angel Properties. So to revise my lists:- Phase 1:- flood protection for the development the river front walk part of the affordable housing slipway (implied - if you have the river front) boat store (implied - if you have the river front) Phase 2:- Cinema Pelham Terrace Pells Pool upgrades remainder of affordable housing footbridge (as you don't own the land on the opposite bank) Which phase does each of these three benefits fall into?:- crèche medical centre art gallery Also, to pick up on something said elsewhere: can you guarantee any of these phase 2 offerings or are they just a wishlist? Many thanks in advance Rob Shepherd   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum. charles style   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 13:47 John, no one is going to try to force landowners to implement a masterplan against their wishes, conversely no one is going to force Angel Property to use an alternative planning scheme against it's wishes. It is also possible that the owners of the other sites may wish to implement there own planning applications for different schemes that they might wish to apply for planning consent for, or they might be very happy to implement the masterplan. The idea of the masterplan is to set down a framework after which detailed applications would follow, it should also look at the bulk and mass of buildings to establish what could be built. If landowners chose to depart from the masterplan they would be at liberty to make their own planning applications and to see whether they were able to obtain a consent, the chances of this succeeding would be increased by the fact that the flood protection would be taken care of by the first phase. We are still in the process of finalising our proposals and will wait for the outcome of the Vision Statement to see what that suggests as the vision for the area. The vision will undoubtebly effect the final proposals.   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum. charles style   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 13:57 Rob, the proposals are still not finalised but what I am saying is that the riverfront land which we own will take responsibility for installing all the flood defences for the area, including flood defences for Pelham Terrace. The other community benefits are as stated, riverfront walk, footbridge, slipway, boat store, improvements to the Pells Pool and affordable housing. I do not think it is in any way fair to say that Lewes District Council has refused to sell us their land and it is also clear that should they decide to sell it to another party that that party would not be obliged to deliver on the masterplan but might have it's own ideas. As the cinema is an important ingredient in our proposals we will look into the possibility of including it on our site as part of phase one. I find the negativity of all the people who seem to wish to find reasons for progress not being possible rather depressing. We have good intentions here and could do with a little support rather than the continual cynical scepticism and snide digs, this is honestly a great opportunity for the town and Piers Gough and his team are determined that it should have a character and feel that evokes the town but is modern, this will not be easy to achieve but we are determeined to see it through.   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum. Ray Buxton   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 14:29 Quote from Charles Style re. Phase 2 "The community gains include the cinema, art gallery, crèche, medical centre and affordable housing up to 25% of the dwellings provided on that part of the development." Therefore Rob, the list appears to be as follows... Phase 1:- flood protection for the development the river front walk part of the affordable housing slipway boat store Phase 2:- Cinema Pelham Terrace Pells Pool upgrades remainder of affordable housing footbridge crèche medical centre art gallery Mr Style, you may try to deflect our criticism by accusing it as being negative, but have we maybe finally gotten to the truth of all this? Aren't you really just creating an illusion which you hope will pass planning, cherry-picking what you actually want to develop (i.e. the expensive/prestigious river-front residences, shops and cafe/bars) and leaving the council/other owners (and thus, by the way, us townspeople) to pick up responsibility for the rest i.e. the infrastructure, virtually all the "goodies" and the less attractive part of the site, with all the associated grief since it's that which is adjacent to existing properties etc. You have presumably costed phase 1 and decided it can be profitable, but has anyone costed phase 2? I don't think so. I think you ARE having a laugh at us.   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum. Incredulous   Re:Council refuse to sell land - 2007/04/16 14:57 I've been following this dialogue with keen interest and increasing concern, so let me try to get this straight... Angel Property is proposing to apply for outline planning permission for a site of which it owns part (the river-side part). To back this up Mr Style has just said "The Phoenix Quarter proposals are for an outline planning application for a development framework. Any land which has not been acquired by Angel Property at the time of the planning application will be dealt with by a seperate planning application because we cannot sign a s106 agreement on land we do not own." If granted planning permission, two things therefore happen... 1) Angel Property can press on and build flood defences and the river-side part of the overall scheme (Mr Style's Phase 1). 2) Lewes District Council has given itself planning permission to develop the rest, including virtually all the promised community benefits (cinema, medical centre etc etc) (Mr Style's Phase 2). But nobody is obliged to carry out Phase 2, and the council (at the end of the day, the Lewes townspeople) may not want to or may not be able to afford to do so. Therefore the rest of the site could remain a complete mess for years (if the reports of the Jam Factory project are anything to go by, Angel Property has a track record for allowing this to happen). Please don't tell me this the case, because if it is, then all the discussions to date have been a complete sham and waste of energy. Come on Lewes Matters, Angel Property, Lewes District Council - please clarify this for us once and for all.   | | You must login if you wish to contribute to this forum.

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